tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN June 15, 2016 10:00pm-11:01pm PDT
>> >> just kept tapping each other. >> but akira was bleeding badly in need of medical care, soon no longer responds to morse code. >> i was tapping her. she didn't respond back. >> after 5:00 a.m., they punched through the wall and killed the gunman, dragging hostages to safety. her parents can do nothing but wait for news. monday, some 36 hours later received word that she's dead. >> i keep seeing her face. >> akyra murray, superstar basketball player, honor student. hero to her friends. the youngest victim of the senseless tragedy. >> i can't even imagine my baby girl, honor roll student that graduated from high school last week on the way to college next month would be dead today. it is surreal. >> so much life ahead. we are going to share thoughts from some of orlando's youngest citizens. pictures from orlando police department twitter page, kids and family coming to the station to offer gratitude, care packages for officers on site.
one card says dear life saver, thank you for butting your life first especially during this hard time. god bless you, love joshua. another, don't forget you're the best. and thank you, you're a hero. thank you for helping us. you can see she drew pictures on the bottom left. a rainbow with smile. we will be right back. more coverage ahead.
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we are live from outside orlando regional medical center where more than 20 people are hospitalized after the shooting at the pulse nightclub. there's breaking news about the shooter. what investigators learned from data on his cell phone, what his wife has been telling law enforcement officials. we will have all that in a moment. what's most important, the people in the hospital behind me, fighting for their lives, people that lost their lives. we will bring more stories in the next hour, hear from the medical examiner. let's get the latest without using the shooter's name or picture. pamela brown joins us for that. what more do authorities know? >> reporter: most important in the investigation is the wife. they continue to interview her. we learned from law enforcement that she's giving conflicting reports to investigators. initially said her husband left the house saturday she didn't
have any inkling of what he was going to do. through the course of more interviews she said she had a suspicion he might launch an attack, perhaps it might be on pulse nightclub. she didn't call police as we know. she claims she tried to stop him from launching an attack. what's interesting, what we are learning from our sources for months if not years he talked about doing something violent, so clearly that inclination was there for awhile, and the question is why didn't anyone speak up to it. >> she may have known it was at pulse that day but didn't know. >> she's got a lawyer with her during the interviews. she's coming around, saying well i had a suspicion he might launch an attack, perhaps maybe at pulse. she is not being definitive according to sources but changing the story from initially saying i didn't have an inkling of what was going on. >> they got the phone, the shooter's phone. have they able to get information? >> they have gotten a little data, it was submerged in water and blood so took awhile. they have been able to piece
together a time line of where he was, who he was talking to in hours before the attack. that's key. he made calls in the club during the shootings. >> people overheard phone calls. it is incredible he called the tv producer in the middle of this. >> makes you wonder, what was he thinking. clearly this is someone who wanted the story out. not only called the tv producer and 911 but called a friend to say good-bye. interesting to investigators. they interviewed the friend we are told and want to find out what the friend knew about the gunman's plans, who this person is. this is someone that clearly means something to the gunman otherwise he wouldn't call him to say good-bye. zpl appreciate that reporting. seen so many communities in the aftermath from newtown to aurora and boston. city after city rally around survivors and families.
the city is no exception. joining me, orlando city commissioner patty sheehan and sentinel reporter paul brinkman. thank you for being with us. first of all, what is going on in your mind now. you have been working around the clock ever since this happened, you represent this community. >> first elected gay official, i have deep ties to the club. >> you know the owner. >> they hosted events for the community. >> for me, fund-raisers for me, very gracious and wonderful people, very supportive. >> do you see this changing the community in any way? i talked to so many young gay lesbians at the club or friends of those at the club, though they're fearful say it makes them want to walk taller, stand taller, hold hands in public and be more present than they have been. >> i am not getting a sense of fear, i am getting a sense of
grief, i just came from a church service at my church. i think people are really grieving. i also see a change. there are ministers and people that have never been supportive in the gay community of the lgbt community, they could care less. they are nasty. now they're getting together, went to something in orange county, they were saying love your neighbor. we shouldn't be behaving this way, espousing hatred. i am like i never heard them talk like that before. i don't think they died in vain, i think they reached the hearts. hard to look at the young faces full of promise. >> we know all of it. we don't know them personally, but all been there. >> i think it finally took something horrible to make people realize hate is not the answer. this hate speech and talk encourages this kind of violence. >> what are you focusing on.
>> spent the first two days after the attack at the center convergence of people from the community coming in for help and to donate resources. >> so many little details you don't think of that have to be dealt with. people aren't from orlando originally. >> and to travel here. >> it became a media center for international media. they also expressed they never received this kind of attention from the community before and were blown away by the support. had semis pulling up with food and water, refrigeration trucks donated 200 plus counselors to donate their services. >> i was struck by a tweet from los angeles police department of
brass at the gay pride parade saying we are orlando. there's such a history in this country. there was a fire bombing of a gay bar in new orleans in the '70s that the person that did it was never found. seems like to have law enforcement in the forefront, speaking out about what happened, investigating vigorously. >> i have openly gay officers in high ranking. i think it makes a big difference. >> you get a sense how things have changed. >> absolutely. >> what are you focused on now? >> right now i am kind of coming down a bit right now, the cemetery. greensboro church is threatening to come. >> i have dealt with that. # >> all they want is attention and represent nobody other than themselves. >> extremists are coming. my folks never dealt with that.
i have been involved in pride festivals and they show up, manage to find a way. put dancing boys in front of them. can't do that in a cemetery, we will do a human screen, deal with them best we can, providing screening and all that. >> what do you want people to know about the community? >> we are resilient and loving community. this is the thing. what's kind of cool for me as a glbt and q see that orlando is the rainbow. gets me in my heart. i would never have thought that would be. as a young gay person fighting for my rights and nondiscrimination policies, to have seen the outpouring of support is incredible. >> i appreciate what you are doing, taking time to talk to us. thank you so much. >> thank you. we are getting new perspective on the scope of the tragedy inside the nightclub.
the medical examiner saw the worst of the aftermath. dr. sanjay gupta spoke with him. it is rare that you hear from the medical examiner. >> he wanted to talk about this. they moved very, very quickly as you know. they want to identify the bodies, do the autopsies, out of respect for the families that are waiting. but this is a veteran medical examiner, aviation disasters, never seen anything like this. he was on the scene, i asked him to describe it. take a listen. >> almost like time stopped. there were still things, lights blinking, drinks poured, food half eaten, and that's not even thinking about the bodies on the ground and just looking around, it is like time stood still. all of a sudden everything is gone, stopped. when you see everyone down in
one place or the final positions, you can feel it. >> over the years i talked to medical examiners, they're the people caring for the dead before the families and dignity is so important to them, even in placement of the bodies. >> no question. >> he talked to you about that. >> he did. he had an area where they did the autopsies, but it was important the shooter was transported separately from victims, in a separate building from victims. didn't want the shooter's autopsy performed in the same room. he did the autopsy on the shooter himself. >> all those that lost their lives together and shooter separate. >> that's right. that's not a rule or protocol, it was a sign of respect.
this medical examiner has been busy the last several days, he pointed out this particular shooter's body hasn't been claimed but did the autopsy of christina and will be doing the autopsy on the two-year-old as well. that's what the medical examiner in orlando has been doing the last several days. >> appreciate you coming on. just ahead, hear two more stories of survivors, two friends lucky to be alive. devastated their friend didn't make it out. and the fbi issued a bulletin to other gay clubs in orlando. there are other times they were targeted. a sad look back at other times love was the target of hate. right now, a story frankly
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>> reporter: three close friends, at the pulse nightclub. the same club they went this past saturday night. this is christian and carlos. >> they with called the three amigos, we always work together always. >> the three amigos, all three standing next to each other when the rampage started, gunshots ringing out, the deejay saying everyone should get to the floor. >> then the lights went off, it was so dark. i could see people falling in front of me. i could see everything, everybody was dead. >> carlos made a decision to crawl to a bathroom where they saw others going. he tried to hold onto jimmy and christian, was only able to maintain a grip on christian amid flying bullets. >> i dragged him by the shirt
with me, and jimmy was laying down. at the moment jimmy was like -- he was so panicked. he laid down, face down and cover his face like this. >> everybody was screaming. when i looked back, that's when i saw that everybody was getting there. >> christian and carlos in the dark bathroom with 30 other frightened people. >> you could see the blood coming under the door, like a bottle of water, it was getting on the floor. it was horrible. >> people trembling as gunshots and terror continued. >> it was like a movie. >> the police stormed the club, exchanging fire.
everybody in the bathroom, including christian and carlos running for their lives. >> he looked and saw jimmy. >> and everybody, there was nobody alive in that club, nobody was moving. >> as they sit here, christian and carlos wonder why did they survive while the other member of the three amigos, jimmy, did not. they have survivor guilt. >> you were so courageous, you did so much for each other and the best for your best friend, too. i hope you take comfort. >> i know. we are supposed to be the three
amigos, not two. just horrible that you can lose somebody you love in seconds. i hope he can rest in peace. i loved him very much. and i'm sorry he died that way. >> three amigos. is there help available for people? there are a lot of people that need it. >> counseling is made available for free for survivors and family members of victims and christian, the more emotional man in our story received two such counseling sessions so far, it has done him well. carlos, less emotional, admits he is holding it in. that may change friday when he sees jimmy's body. he is the one i am more worried about. >> just awful. thank you for telling that story. heart breaking that someone would have to deal with surviving a trauma like this at the same time they grieve for
someone they love. yesterday heard from a young woman named patience still in the hospital, wrote a moving poem that referenced heavy guilt but feeling grateful to be alive. survivor guilt is not uncommon after a tragedy like this. an expert that's been speaking with families, a victim's advocate. she joins me. thanks for being with us. what do you say to someone. everybody deals with grief differently. some want to talk, some don't. >> based on the fact it is very individualized, the best thing is to assess where the individual is, assess if they're ready to talk or if they just need someone to stand by their side, provide support and strength.
>> i remember an interview with a hospice worker said if somebody has cancer, you have time to settle things, time to talk. time to communicate feelings for them and them for you when there's a violent act that is so sudden, there isn't time. >> right. that's what makes it difficult for many to heal so it takes a very long time to go through the healing process. it may take years for that to take place. >> there's no timetable for grief. i've had friends that lost
somebody and other friends said well, it has been a month, time to get over it, it doesn't work like that. >> it absolutely does not. there's no timetable. people may experience bouts of ups and downs. it is a process that the person needs to allow those emotions to carry out. >> it is not just people who directly knew these people, not just people in orlando. i have e-mails and texts from friends and overseas that find themselves breaking down odd times or find themselves so stunned by what happened. what do you advise somebody that has no direct connection and yet is carrying this with them. >> an experience like this can definitely trigger responses in
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up next, democrats filibuster for gun control. this has been going on more than 8 hours. we'll be right back. tonight attention over the orlando mass shooting at the lgbt nightclub is bringing the senate to a stand still. a filibuster headed into the ninth hour. democrats promising to keep talking. >> reporter: even though the pulse nightclub killer was once
on the fbi terror watch list, in the days before his murderous rampage, he was able to buy two firearms, one an assault style semi automatic. he is not the only one. nine out of ten people on terror watch lists that want to buy a gun are given the green light after passing a federal background check according to a gunman accountability report. >> no one outside our military
you wrote i am a marine, carried guns in iraq, guns similar to ones used to perpetrate the orlando murders and other mass shootings in america. used guns in combat, more than one occasion they saved my life. there's a big difference between a marine with a rifle and civilian with a gun. do you believe anything will be different? >> i certainly hope so. i don't have confidence that it will change. i don't know how many more innocent americans have to die before we in washington have courage to just have a debate about passing common sense reforms. i sense people are paying attention now, maybe this time will be different. >> there's so much suspicion on all sides. look, a lot of gun owners say any gun control is a slippery slope. what do you say? >> that's a ridiculous argument. we have a lot of restrictions on every amendment to the constitution, including the second. you're not allowed to own landmines, anti-tank rockets. there are many already outlawed. an assault rifle is a weapon of war, has no place on america's
streets or in america's schools. >> monday you joined with congressional colleagues and left in the moment of silence. can you explain why? >> i tweeted the day after the shooting that my thoughts and prayers go to the victims. i heard from so many people on my twitter account that thoughts and prayers aren't enough, that thoughts and prayers aren't working. that we need to take action. i decided i am not standing in silence. they didn't send me to washington to stand in silence, they sent me to take action to keep the community safe. >> congressman, appreciate you being with us.
the timing of the attack on pulse nightclub has many on edge. the massacre prompted bulletins to gay clubs in the orlando area to heighten awareness. there's no credible threat of attack. past attacks on gay nightclubs haven't been perceived as threats. and strikes catch victims off guard. randi kaye looks back. >> reporter: this is the scene in 1973. upstairs lounge, gay club in new orleans, louisiana. in june, an arsonist poured lighter fluid on the stairs and rang the doorbell. flames swept inside.
the bartender helped 20 people escape but unintentionally looked the fire escape door so the fire wouldn't spread, trapping everyone else inside. >> everybody was screaming. everybody was like so confused. several people that jumped out of windows hurt fatally or hurt. >> reporter: 32 people died. by the time firefighters got inside, bodies were piled up at windows, many left unclaimed, victims who had never come out to family members. family members who were too embarrassed to bury them. police reportedly never actively pursued the case, no one was ever charged in the attack. in 1980, a new york city gay bar was a target, the suspect fired an uzi at men in line.
one man died instantly, another died at the hospital. others left bleeding and wounded on the sidewalk. >> they say we should wait, just be quiet, mourn people. >> reporter: before the shooting, the gunman reportedly said i'll kill them all, the gays, they ruin everything. the suspect was found not responsible by reason of mental disease or defect and put in a secure psychiatric hospital. he died last year. in roanoke, virginia, the back street bar came under attack in september, 2000. >> he was randomly shooting, that simple. several people were hit. i guess everybody was scrambling to get out of the way. >> suspect had conversations along the lines of wanting to find gay people and shoot them. >> his arm was up like this. the gun was pointing down and he just started firing. >> reporter: one man was killed, six others wounded. "the washington post" reported that the suspect always hated his last name which happened to be gay. and the taunting that came with it. he was sentenced to four life terms. in seattle, the neighbors nightclub was another terrifying
scene. a man had chosen the busiest night of the year, new year's eve, to set fire to the club as revelers celebrated at midnight. staff and club goers got it out quickly. more than 700 people escaped. the suspect claimed he didn't remember setting the fire, but the judge concluded he had done it because he disliked gays. a friend told investigators that the suspect once said homosexual people should be ex-terminated. he was sentenced to ten years in prison. randi kaye, cnn new york. >> given what happened here, might be able to say hate endures. what happened sunday is the latest proof. here is what's different in 2016. look at this photo sunday at the gay pride parade, hours after the killings at pulse. chief of lapd standing next to the mayor holding a sign of support for orlando and at the gay pride parade. joining me, andrew sullivan from new york magazine. it is different, andrew. you think about generations of gay people at clubs that used to be raided by police, it was the only place gay people could
congregate, it was illegal to congregate and dance together. do you, what's the progress? what's the difference? >> you think of 1969, you had a bunch of cops rushing a bar to arrest gay people inside it. and in 2016 you have rushing the bar to save people. that's a huge difference. everyone said what happened to those people or in the shooting in new york, they were quickly forgotten. people are almost embarrassed. sometimes families wouldn't pick up the body. now we have recognition that we are human beings, in a moment like this, in a place like this. when you think about it, you
think about the young latin men in the pictures and read their profile, people that had been murdered, you think about their lives and realize of all the places they could have felt safe, this was probably the safest place they knew. and this man went into that almost sacred space and laid waste to them in the most horrifying way because they're gay or were gay or he thought they were gay. yeah, go on. >> a lot of people that are not gay or lesbian in this country or around the world may not understand the role a gay bar can play. in a young gay person in particular. suddenly being in a place where you could look somebody else in the eye without fear of attack, where you saw yourself in their eyes and them returning your stare. and meet people. some of my closest friends are people i met in gay bars when i was younger. there is a role bars play
particularly in young people's lives. >> i met my husband on the dance floor, we meet each other there, when we grow up, come out, come of age, experience that first liberation, that's where we feel it. that's where we feel the freedom. sometimes for the first time. sometimes around people that we don't have to hide anything from. soy think there were a lot of gay people experiencing this and i feel it sinking in, they come into that sanctuary and destroyed it. they robbed it of its innocence. to me, we're not going back there. hope we all go back there and stay there. but means something horrible has been done to our psyche and to our community. and it breaks a lot of people's hearts. people were trying to politicize it, exploit it in some way.
it is just a poem. look at the faces of people who were the victims of this. >> the other thing people may not understand, why do you need a gay bar to go to to meet other people and have a sense of safety. i keep coming back to try to explain to people how many times do you see gay people on the street holding hands, how many times do you see gay people kissing good-bye or hello like everybody else. even as far as things have come in this country, there are still many places we have to edit ourselves in public spaces on the street. >> yes. and of course there's always the threat of some violence in the background if you are to do that. these places are safer places to do that. that's a huge thing as well here, although again it is night
and day compared to 20 or 30 years ago, really is. that makes it all the more poignant. and this man himself clearly had some complicated issues with sexuality. this does not easily fit into the template of a radicalized isis person, this is someone dealing with his own demons. this is someone part of within us. and the source of that is religion. it is what our faith has been telling us about our quality as gay human beings, and obviously the vast, vast majority of muslims don't feel like this about gay people. the ability of a few to use it
in this way to attack a group of people, specifically this group of people, this is an attack on gay people and on homosexuality itself, we've got to come to terms with the religious origins of some of the hatred and tackle it in our own community in churches and within islam itself. >> i was talking to a council woman saying there was a church service where faith leaders who previously hadn't spoken positively about gay and lesbian people were embracing gay and lesbian people, saw it as a sign of progress. we saw politicians that haven't spoken in a positive way about gay and lesbian americans and fought against gay equality and marriage equality, coming forward, being very public. do you think that's a good thing? >> it has to be a good thing, anderson.
i mean, anything that gets people to see the humanity of these people. sometimes it is a horrifying fact, takes human beings gunned down in their own safe space to realize these people are human too. up next, another tragedy, another grieving family down the road from here at disneyworld. the latest when 360 continues. ♪but i'm not gonna let 'em catch me, no no,♪ ♪not gonna let 'em catch the midnight rider,♪ ♪yeaaahh...
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identified as lane graves on vacation from nebraska with his parents and older sister, and they were relaxing by the seven seas lagoon behind a luxury grand floridian hotel. just after 9:00, a four to seven foot alligator snatched the child while he waded in front of his horrified parents. >> the father entered the water, and he tried to grab the child, and was not successful in doing so, and at some point i am told that the mother may have also entered the water. >> reporter: search boats circled the manmade lake, and helicopters ahead, and teams used sonar below, and the child's body was found intact just 25 feet from where he was taken, and the apparent cause of death is thought to be drowning. the sheriff described to me how the family reacted when they were told the news.
>> they were distraught, but they were also relieved at the same time i think that we honor ed our commitment to them. >> reporter: authorities believed that they may have caught and killed the alligator, but they will keep searching. >> we will make certain that we have the alligator involve and that we remove it from the lake. >> reporter: and attacks like these are rare in florida, but two people have now died in the last year. in a statement, disney said that there are no words to convey the profound sorrow that we feel for the family and the unimaginable loss. but many wonder why signs along the disney lake only warn guests not to go swimming and leaving out the real life danger lurking behind the surface in a land famous for make believe.
>> and martin, is the investigation still ongoing. >> reporter: and i should the family say they are grateful for all of the prayers and thoughts and the grateful for the law are enforcement search, and they want to be left alone. but to your point, there are three investigations pushing forwardt that hour, and the overarching one in orange county to try to determine exactly what went wrong, and if there any are responsibility here, and the one by florida fish and wildlife trying to find the alligator and they believe it is important, and they believe they may have found it, and if they find it, they will euthanize it, because you cannot put it in somewhere else, and lastly, an internal investigation by disney, because they have an afteraction report, an insiders say that they are expecting to have real change, and disney will do the right thing. and that remains to be seen, anderson. >> martin savage, thank you very much. whatcha' doin?
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